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Grapevine Gone? | Login/Create an Account | Top | 91 comments | Search Discussion
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Why Grapevine has ceased. (Score:1, Interesting)
by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 19, @01:59PM (#9)
(Apologies for the Anon log in but I can't remember my password!) Hi Drew/WOIBBS users. I'd just like to clear a few things up behind the cease in production of Grapevine magazine and the demise of the Ellesdee site. Basically, we've recieved very little article input for issue#4 and our group ESD have become less willing to contribute what little free time we have into a project which has very little rewards. This all sounds a little harsh but it's something that's been going on for a while and it's been me that's held everyone together through the rough times. The other major problems were regarding our use of the name Grapevine and use of the Ellesdee name. We arugued this point time and time again and made references in the mag to it many times, yet the 'old skool' stubborn ass UK and European demosceners just couldn't get their heads around why we were doing it? We had the backing from the few original LSD members that were available when we started production and we actually owned the Ellesdee domain name at the time. Yet people still regarded us as name theives and it was a mockery of the Grapevine memory. Bullshit! We asked other ex-LSD members if they minded us carrying on with GV and they were either contactable or weren't bothered either way. The other thing that went aganist us was our 'middle ground' stance on the demoscene content and variety computer content. Hardcore demosceners didn't like our variety articles and old GV fans and regular users had no interest in mainstream demoscene stuff. You would think that with us doing this, we are keeping everyone happy. Right? Wrong! We tried to get involoved with the UK Demoscene, but these days, it is a very different scene attitude to the old Amiga scene which we were all originally part of. Although, we bent over backwards for these guys, we recieved NO article input or backing from them and all we ever did was argue over stupid scene values. We've decided to pull the plug on Grapevine but we are working on another project and we were in the process of restructuring our message forum, but Zildjian (admin of the Ellesdee website) hasn't been contactable for months and has completely shut down the ESD site without any warning? Suddenly Pazza has come back onto the scene with the same inflated ego that he's always had and he has the balls to tell us that we should grow up and move on, yet his forum moan was the same pile of horseshit that he used on a previous GV revival attempt. This is a guy who is cutting and pasting stuff from over 5 years ago? I know exactly who the real person is here that needs to move on. He became a nobody once he quit the editing role of the original Amiga version of Grapevine (by LSD) yet he still thinks he has some sort of ownership over the name? Anyway, I've wasted enough text on this loser already. The future.... The main guys behind ESD are intent on creating a new site which will properly outline our interests of the Old Skool scene and we are currently working on a new style forum which offers a LOT more areas and threads than our previous forum. We will also be creating threads in support of the Telnet BBS scene. We'd link to thank Drew and the readers of WOI for their readership and I hope to be giving you all some more good news very soon. Thanks for now, DaZZaBoY/ESD
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    Re:Why Grapevine has ceased. (Score:5)
    by phantom on Tuesday April 19, @09:09PM (#12)
    User #2 Info | http://woibbs.org/ | Last Journal: Tuesday May 10, @02:54PM
    Well, I see the screw jobs that are half a world away from me are finding the stuff on this site about Grapevine. I said what I needed to say about it in my news post. I don't really care what a bunch of old crabby Amiga people think about the current Grapevine. I liked it, my users liked it, and whatever project you guys come up with I will do anything I can to help you promote it.

    Thanks for the update Dazza, and sorry your account got lost I had a database disaster. Yuckie!

    Drew
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  • Re:Why Grapevine has ceased. by DaZZaBoY (Score:1) Sunday April 24, @09:45AM
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Same Shit.. Different Day (Score:0, Agreed)
by MobbyG on Monday April 25, @02:38PM (#14)
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It's no suprise that some Old Skoolerz have this idea that now that the old days are gone, they are also dead. HELLS NO! They're only dead if we say they are. By running BBSes and e-zines like Grapevine, it keeps the spirit that energuzed and inspired us to create and go forward. Let the damn nay sayers go off to some colony, be fruitfull and multiply. They they can all stand around being pessimistic and getting nothing done.
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